John Vervaeke & Jonathan Pageau
Collective Intelligence: Angels in Scientific Terms | with John Vervaeke
Angels in Scientific Terms | pt.2 | with John Vervaeke
John Vervaeke, PhD: John Vervaeke is a lecturer at the University of Toronto. Assistant Professor, Teaching Stream. Perception, Cognition and Cognitive Neuroscience. Department of Psychology, University of Toronto. YouTube Channel
Jonathan Pageau’s Web site: Pageau carves Eastern Orthodox | Jonathan Pageau Bio | YouTube Channel
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Quick note from ClearNFO: I liked their discussion about attention, relevance realization and connectedness; and resultant power – and how this has changed over time from the village context to the internet—thinking cell phones, Twitter, TickTok, etc. here.
Loved the Spinoza reference by John toward the end of part 1. John provides a very clear logical cut and basis for additional discussion using this as a starting point (Time marker 1:04:40): “I don’t think there is a consciousness for that collective intelligence and I don’t think there is an agency to it in the same way we understand the agency in living things…”
Not sure if this (the higher power –God—has agency and consciousness) will ever be sorted out using language due to the limitation imposed by our ego-centric predicament and the limits of language, but I do appreciate the effort and have always supported philosophical inquiry and the disciplined mind led by logic that can result from this pursuit.
It is important undergirding all philosophical inquiries like this, is the nature of the continuous and interconnected world which may not yield all its secrets by way or our discrete pieces (words) that we then string together with perhaps unrealistic expectations.
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